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		<title>By: Birth &#38; Culture &#38; Pregnant Feelings &#171; Talk Birth</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-1/#comment-3624</link>
		<dc:creator>Birth &#38; Culture &#38; Pregnant Feelings &#171; Talk Birth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rich I think we get onto slippery ground when we start talking about how women just need to &#8220;educate themselves&#8221; and then they will make different (i.e. &#8220;enlightened like ours&#8221;) choices. If [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sheridan</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to all your comments! I am one who says moms should educate themselves, but I am talking to those who don&#039;t do anything to prepare.  I have many friends who don&#039;t WANT to know about birth things. They literally say, &quot;I just want to show up and get the epidrual.&quot;  They don&#039;t want to know anything more.  These are educated, smart women.  It is sad to me, well and a bit infuriating.

Then there are moms like you who do educate themselves.  GREAT!  But indeed there need to be more changes within the birth community.  There need to be care providers who TRUST birth and moms.  How is a mom to know if her careprovider is that way?  Being educated is different than empowered and how a women is treated during her birth makes a huge difference.  

I don&#039;t know what to say, excpet I am sorry.  

I just attended a birth as a doula with an OB I had never worked with, but from talking with the mom and working with other OBs from the same group, I thought things would be straight forward, that this OB trusted birth.  But no, this OB did and said things that surprised me.  I did what I could as a doula but it effected this birth.  

So, I think I still need to support women in educating themselves,  because I think that is an important step.  

But I will continue to work and think about other ways I can help more women enjoy their births.  It is so true, it is much more than just education!  

Hugs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to all your comments! I am one who says moms should educate themselves, but I am talking to those who don&#8217;t do anything to prepare.  I have many friends who don&#8217;t WANT to know about birth things. They literally say, &#8220;I just want to show up and get the epidrual.&#8221;  They don&#8217;t want to know anything more.  These are educated, smart women.  It is sad to me, well and a bit infuriating.</p>
<p>Then there are moms like you who do educate themselves.  GREAT!  But indeed there need to be more changes within the birth community.  There need to be care providers who TRUST birth and moms.  How is a mom to know if her careprovider is that way?  Being educated is different than empowered and how a women is treated during her birth makes a huge difference.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what to say, excpet I am sorry.  </p>
<p>I just attended a birth as a doula with an OB I had never worked with, but from talking with the mom and working with other OBs from the same group, I thought things would be straight forward, that this OB trusted birth.  But no, this OB did and said things that surprised me.  I did what I could as a doula but it effected this birth.  </p>
<p>So, I think I still need to support women in educating themselves,  because I think that is an important step.  </p>
<p>But I will continue to work and think about other ways I can help more women enjoy their births.  It is so true, it is much more than just education!  </p>
<p>Hugs!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on! You are *so* right that most women don&#039;t even know that they don&#039;t know, and don&#039;t know what questions to ask, and what procedures to follow so that they can ensure (or *try* to) that their birth will happen according to their wishes. Sometimes even the most careful woman will end up with a care provider who has lied to her, making her think s/he is one thing when in reality s/he is another.

And you are even more correct when you say that it shouldn&#039;t be on the woman&#039;s shoulders to make sure that she is treated kindly, fairly, and properly. That *should* be standard treatment. There should be *no* manipulation, *no* unnecessary procedures, and *no* overstepping of bounds. There are steps that pregnant women can take to help them have the birth they want, but even if they do nothing by way of preparation, that still does not give the doctors, nurses, or midwives the right to do whatever it is they want.

Thank you so much for writing this insightful post!
Kathy
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on! You are *so* right that most women don&#8217;t even know that they don&#8217;t know, and don&#8217;t know what questions to ask, and what procedures to follow so that they can ensure (or *try* to) that their birth will happen according to their wishes. Sometimes even the most careful woman will end up with a care provider who has lied to her, making her think s/he is one thing when in reality s/he is another.</p>
<p>And you are even more correct when you say that it shouldn&#8217;t be on the woman&#8217;s shoulders to make sure that she is treated kindly, fairly, and properly. That *should* be standard treatment. There should be *no* manipulation, *no* unnecessary procedures, and *no* overstepping of bounds. There are steps that pregnant women can take to help them have the birth they want, but even if they do nothing by way of preparation, that still does not give the doctors, nurses, or midwives the right to do whatever it is they want.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for writing this insightful post!<br />
Kathy<br />
womantowomancbe.wordpress.com</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-/#comment-349</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women Need to Educate Themselves You raise so many great points! I think this is a great article, it should be in print! If I were you, I would try to publish it! Good Luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women Need to Educate Themselves You raise so many great points! I think this is a great article, it should be in print! If I were you, I would try to publish it! Good Luck</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I&#039;m so thankful for Wow! I&#039;m so thankful for this entry. Being a doula myself, I&#039;ve heard and said this phrase many times without seeing it they way you have just described. I totally agree with you, and just want to say thank you for your post! Heather</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I&#8217;m so thankful for Wow! I&#8217;m so thankful for this entry. Being a doula myself, I&#8217;ve heard and said this phrase many times without seeing it they way you have just described. I totally agree with you, and just want to say thank you for your post! Heather</p>
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		<title>By: Sheridan</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post inspired my post http://enjoybirth.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/is-education-enough/
You really got me thinking... is education alone enough?  </description>
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You really got me thinking&#8230; is education alone enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you&#039;ve made some very Wow, you&#039;ve made some very excellent points. I do believe in women educating themselves and staying aware but that definitely does not guarantee a happy ending.   

We are all vulnerable to the system and you are so right when you say, &quot;no one size fits all&quot;, there are so many variables. 

I try to encourage women to listen to their instincts and look for support in others, and it&#039;s our job as moms to help support one another.  Things go wrong, there are insensitive doctors and the system often fails us, so we as moms can only do the best we can, blaming yourself for not knowing enough is a futile, no one can know everything.  

Do what you feel comfortable with.   If you&#039;ve been a victim of bad doctors, bad medial decisions or bad treament try not to dwell on finding blame, particularly with yourself, try to move forward with a deep sense of love and caring for your beautiful baby, all other negative emotion is unhealthy.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you&#8217;ve made some very Wow, you&#8217;ve made some very excellent points. I do believe in women educating themselves and staying aware but that definitely does not guarantee a happy ending.   </p>
<p>We are all vulnerable to the system and you are so right when you say, &#8220;no one size fits all&#8221;, there are so many variables. </p>
<p>I try to encourage women to listen to their instincts and look for support in others, and it&#8217;s our job as moms to help support one another.  Things go wrong, there are insensitive doctors and the system often fails us, so we as moms can only do the best we can, blaming yourself for not knowing enough is a futile, no one can know everything.  </p>
<p>Do what you feel comfortable with.   If you&#8217;ve been a victim of bad doctors, bad medial decisions or bad treament try not to dwell on finding blame, particularly with yourself, try to move forward with a deep sense of love and caring for your beautiful baby, all other negative emotion is unhealthy.</p>
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		<title>By: mamablogess</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>mamablogess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and I think most first Yes, and I think most first time mothers don&#039;t even realize that the hospital or their doctor or midwife are things they need to educate themselves about.  When we talk about childbirth eduction, we can be referring to so many different aspects of the subject, but what first time mothers think of is simply learning about the physiological aspects of birth.  Being treated with kindness and respect and given freedom of choice and the right to consent to or to deny treatments is just a basic expectation that most humans have, and it is removed from the concept of &quot;education&quot; in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and I think most first Yes, and I think most first time mothers don&#8217;t even realize that the hospital or their doctor or midwife are things they need to educate themselves about.  When we talk about childbirth eduction, we can be referring to so many different aspects of the subject, but what first time mothers think of is simply learning about the physiological aspects of birth.  Being treated with kindness and respect and given freedom of choice and the right to consent to or to deny treatments is just a basic expectation that most humans have, and it is removed from the concept of &#8220;education&#8221; in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: mamablogess</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator>mamablogess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks!  I have no idea Wow, thanks!  I have no idea how to publish anything, but that would awesome if I ever could.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks!  I have no idea Wow, thanks!  I have no idea how to publish anything, but that would awesome if I ever could.</p>
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		<title>By: mamablogess</title>
		<link>http://www.birthactivist.com/2008/01/old211/comment-page-/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>mamablogess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your welcome! Your welcome!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your welcome! Your welcome!</p>
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